Thursday, May 3, 2012

Man digs behind fireworks cancellation

Crowsnest Promoter
By Joni MacFarlane

A Calgary man with family ties to the Crowsnest Pass is generating interest around southern Alberta over the cancellation of the popular fireworks display, Thunder in the Valley (TITV).

Dan Rickard said his wife was born and raised in the Pass and many of his extended relatives still live there. He returns with his family in the summers to visit the Crowsnest Pass and take in the fireworks displays. 

After reading about the cancellation in the Crowsnest Pass Promoter, Rickard said he wasn't prepared to "just sit back and let town council make decisions that affect... people and cost the local economy... without public consultation".

He began a website (whereisthethunder.ca) and has been handing out flyers on weekends in the Crowsnest Pass. Rickard and his efforts have also been the subject of a story in the Lethbridge Herald (April 4), a CBC radio interview on the popular Alberta at Noon program (April 11), and a TV interview with CTV in Edmonton (April 12). During the CBC interview, host Donna McElligott said no one from council was available to speak to them that day.

Rickard told McElligott he believes the cancellation is a "black mark against the town" and that the "reality is very different than what the press releases say".

In an interviewwith The Promoter, Rickard said there were several unanswered questions and he's pursuing getting to the truth behind the decision.

"The official town council statements on the cancellation can be boiled down to four main reasons," said Rickard. He believes the data doesn't back up the rationale.

He lists them as risk, cost, safety and legality, but said they don't hold up to the facts.

"The data over the last sev¬eral years doesn't back up that [safety] concern. The RCMP data shows less arrests every year," he said. "The past RCMP reports to council regarding TITV were all mostly positive" 

Rickard said visitors from out of town who attend the event have been made to feel like thugs and criminals, intent on causing havoc and unwelcome in the Pass. In all the years Rickard has been attending TITY, this concept is difficult to fathom, he said. He equates it to Vancouver cancelling the Stanley Cup or Calgary cancelling the Stampede because it might attract too many people.

In addition, the assumed costs for the event were "grossly overstated", he said, and describing it as "bizarre" that a detailed cost can't be given for previous years.

Regarding the claim that the previous 18 TITV events were illegal because there was no municipal bylaw is simply not true.

"[Council's] excuses insulted the organizers who put this event on every year and the people who came to watch it," said Rickard.

He is also attempting to get an official statement from CPR to back up their claim that they would not stop the train but said he believes this too, will not prove to be the case.

"Would CP really allow their trains to mow down people on the tracks? I doubt it."

Rickard told The Promoter another one of his goals, was to talk with local business to get an estimate of the financial impact that the cancellation will have on them. He said if the reasons for cancellation don't hold up and the local businesses can show they stand to lose money, there should be repercussions.

"What do [council] plan to do to make up those costs?" he asked.

"I am teaching my kids to always dig deeper into a story and hope that whatever happens, the truth will come out," said Rickard. "As soon as I hear a reason to justify the cancellation, I'll be the first to stop asking questions. But I'm not getting any answers that make sense."



We may not imagine how our lives could be more frustrating and complex--but Council can.

29 comments:

Arla Schmaltz said...

Hi John,
Mr.Rickard can hound the council all he wants...he will not get support from me...
We live along the east exit route in Blairmore and for all the years that Thunder in the Valley has been in existence we have not been able to go to sleep much before 3AM. And then there is the matter of people doing bathroom duties in the alley beside our home...and they even trespassed onto our neighbour's property to do their bathroom duties in his backyard...
We took pictures to back up our story in this regard...
Thankyou for posting and allowing me to have my say...
sign me...
Tired of being crapped on.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with Arla. This guy does not even live here, so does not pay the taxes or is not here for the major clean up. I am still picking up used toilet paper from last year.
He can worry about what goes on in Calgary where he DOES pay taxes and does have a say.

Anonymous said...

Good for this guy, he sees something that is obviously wrong and wants to do sometnig about it.Just because a few locals complain does not mean you shut it down.I know it is not easy if you live in the area but it is 1 night per year. Council should be doing what is best for the community as a whole and not for a few individuals.The excuses council gave to cancel Thunder are truly weak.Sorry, I meant to say that it was shut down for only this year and council is working hard to make sure it will go next year.Is that not the truth???

Anonymous said...

Actually people start coming on Thursday night. So, 3 nights.
I think Council is doing the right thing - looking after the people that live here year round.

Anonymous said...

I live here year round and I do not think they are doing what is in the best interest of the whole community.It is like Calgary shutting down the Stampede.People may start coming on Thursday night but the only night you have a crowd in on Saturday evening.You must quit thinking only about yourself and try and see the bigger picture.I am not looking for an argument but do you think everyone in Calgary is happy when the stampede rolls into town for 2 weeks?I can assure you there are many that are not happy but there council does was it is best for the WHOLE community.

Dan Rickard said...

Arla, and Anonymous (AKA: chicken). It is always the exact same negative comments that I keep hearing over and over. But, you guys win. No thunder, no Devon, No golf course (almost), no Fields, property values dropping like a rock, one of the only communities that is not growing in Alberta.

BTW, my family has been paying property tax in the CNP for generations. How long have you been there?

Anonymous said...

the Calgary example does not hold water, Calgary does not get 5x their population coming to the Stampede.

Anonymous said...

I disagree with Anonymous at 9:12. There are more than a "few locals" who have complained about what happens during Thunder In The Valley. People have been complaining for years, but the previous town councils were too afraid to do anything about it. I wonder how many of those who say, "It's only one night a year" actually live along the street where people have to put up with this nonsense? A person should not have to put up with this stuff for ten minutes, let alone one night.

Anonymous at 10:14. Do you live near the tracks in Blairmore? You don't get it. Council is doing what is best for the whole community. Comparing Thunder In The Valley to the Calgary Stampede is ridiculous. But if you must ... does Calgary allow random camping along Macleod trail/Stampede Park? Does the Calgary City Police tolerate the alcohol and drug consumption in public, like we do? Does the population of Calgary quadruple during the Stampede, like it does in Crowsnest Pass during TITV?

If the fireworks will be held next year, they need to find a different location in the Pass. Perhaps it could be held in Bellevue or Coleman, at their school grounds? There is a silent majority in Crowsnest Pass who agree 100% with council's decision.

I’m also a full time resident of Crowsnest Pass, and I'm thankful I don't live anywhere near where the fireworks display occurs.

P.S. I’m not related to anyone on council or in the Municipal Office, nor did I vote for the current mayor or most of the councilors in the last election.

Anonymous said...

Dan is the most negative person I have heard put a comment down. Nothing wrong with being anonymous; some people don't take kindly to someone having a different opinion, and then they must revert to being nasty. Sad they cannot debate an issue properly.

Anonymous said...

Dan,

You said, "But, you guys win. No thunder, no Devon, No golf course (almost), no Fields, property values dropping like a rock, one of the only communities that is not growing in Alberta."

When you say, "But, you guys win," what exactly do you mean by that? Are you insinuating that the residents of Crowsnest Pass who approve of cancelling TITV are also somehow responsible for the closure of these business', or the current real estate market?

You keep referring to your family history in Crowsnest Pass. Not that it really matters, but may I ask how long you have lived in the Pass, yourself?

Anonymous said...

Oh sorry, just saw who that Dan guy was. The one trying to cause all the trouble. So he is talking about things he knows nothing about as he does not live here. Council had nothing to do with Fields closing, Canada wide decision, or Devon, it happens. And real estate is pretty well the same, no big difference. Does not matter how long anyone has lived here as you mentioned, but WE that do live here are the ones paying the taxes, not you. Go away somewhere else and advocate for something.

Anonymous said...

So many untruths floating around, mostly because of people that have their own agendas. Here is advice, believe half of what you read, and none of what you hear.

Anonymous said...

Well I need to put in my two cents worth. For those of you who think just because they nixed the fireworks, that it will be different this year, well you will be in for a surprise. Do you even know what this years plans are? they are still going ahead with Rum Runner Day's. It will be starting on the Thursday. There will be a Wine and Food Fest on at the Elk's hall. Friday is sole survivor and then a concert at the ISS field where a stage and dance floor will be set up for the next two days. On the Friday, they will have Karaoke from 4:00 pm to 8:00 pm @ ISS, then a concert with Baxton Bachman (of the BTO - Randy and Tim Bachman fame) from 8:30 pm to midnight. On Saturday is the parade, duck race and then at the ISS field more events for families. Facepainting, tarot card reading, a clown on stage during a performance, then a talent show for the teens and then local talent until 8:00 pm. After that will be a big dance band, TR3, until about midnight or 1:00 am. So tell me other than not fireworks, and no random camping allowed, how will this be much different. Seems to me to be much more going on and over two nights instead of one!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 3:30,

Nothing against this year's events, and I applaud the people who are organizing this, but I doubt there will be 20,000+ people coming to the Pass this year. Because of this, we won't have nearly as many problems as in previous years. It will be much different. The fact there will not be any fireworks or random camping will see to that. I'm looking forward to it!

Anonymous said...

My point about the Stampede is that you work through the problems, you do not cancel the show.
Millions of dollars in lost revenues - Gone.
Easiest the biggest tourist attraction in southern Alberta -Gone.
But at least you will get your sleep that night.
As for all of the new events, it does not matter it will be a nice local event.No thunder, no crowds.Sleep well.

Anonymous said...

Millions of dollars of lost revenue. hummmmmm. I have never seen anything to substantiate that statement.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 4:13,

If you are also Anonymous at 10:14, you said, "It is like Calgary shutting down the Stampede." Nowhere in your comments did you say, or even remotely suggest, anything about working through the problems.

I believe council is doing what is best for the whole community. Having said this, if all parties can work through the problems in time for next year, maybe they can start up again. First and foremost, though, is a change of venue for this event.

If there has been an economic study showing there will be "Millions of dollars in lost revenues," I would like to see it. Do you know where it can be found?

Anonymous said...

You are right, there is no report showing how much money comes in on that weekend.My reasoning behind millions coming in would be along these lines.
Assume 5000 people come in on Friday and spend on average 50$ which would equal 250,000$.
Assume on Saturday another 15,000 people show up for a total of 20,000 people and they spend on average 50$ that would equal 1,000,000$. Just on those 2 days assuming these light numbers you are already well over a Million. You still have Thursday and Sunday.You also have the locals spending more earlier in the week as they prepare for their guests coming in.You also have lost revenues from the companies that do work in advance,port a potties, make the T shirts etc.
Where do people spend there money and how easy is it to drop 100$.
Hotel
Restaurant
Liqour Store
Gas station
Convenience store
Fairgrounds
Grocery stores - Sobeys even brings in a Extra reefer trailer for the weekend.
All other businesses just with walk in traffic.
I am sorry that There is no official report telling us how much will be lost to the local businesses but I beleive it is substantial.Maybe you think my numbers are wrong and that is OK.

Anonymous said...

I think it is really funny that the Calgary Stampede knows exactly how much revenue is generated for the city, but we have no numbers. Ummmm
I think most people need reality numbers; everything else is just heresay. Never good.

Anonymous said...

I think people have lost track of Dan's four 'pillars of discontent', if I can put it that way, which should be of paramount concern to all of us, as they are valid and legitimate concerns deserving of attention, I think.

Unpopular decisions made by a tiny minority that affect the majority in negative ways, should always be open to scrutiny... by a 'discerning' public.

JP

Fred Poirier said...

In response to Anonymous 8:36,
"This guy does not live here"
I like that. This guy tried to help fix stupidity and I agree with him. There is too many anonymous chickens to have a proper debate about anything in your area. Very few have guts and common sense, that's why you need the outsider. Your Council does the same thing. But they call them experts or consultants with a big price attatched. This guy is free. He will put you on the map in finding out the truth. Shut something down because it's too successful and attracts too many people is complete stupidity. If a few people annoy you in a crowd of 25 or 30 thousand that's why we pay the police, you report them and I'm sure everything would be under control in a very short time. Don't let a few meatheads destroy the pleasure of 25 thousand.

Anonymous said...

I totally disagree with Fred.
When he starts saying everything that is wrong with the Crowsnest - a place he visits - that is not right in my anonymous opinion.

Anonymous said...

Somehow I don't see what a high paid engineer in Calgary, who wants to come to CNP for a 20 minute firework show has to do with most people in the Crowsnest. And I don't think he has any need to criticize us. He has his own city to do so if he feels negative as he does towards issues. I think if he was smarter he would have stayed "anonymous".

Dan Rickard said...

My comments on the golf course, Devon, fields, etc... were not called for, and said in a moment of frustration. It was simply an observation that a lot of businesses seem to be shutting down, and I think that is very unfortunate. Nothing to do with the TITV.

Again, I love the interesting comments regarding me being a "City" boy, who should mind his own business. I wonder if the people who write those comments realize just how ignorant and moronic that makes them sound? Would you listen to me more, if I said I was born and raised in Frank? If the furthest East I had ever been was Lethbridge, and the furthest West was Fernie, but I did not like those "strange" BC types...

Tell you all what, next time I am in Hillcrest, we can meet at the miners club, and I will buy the first round. I would be more than happy to talk about my past, and where I have lived / worked/ visited... Who's in?

Anonymous said...

No thanks. Think you have done your damage.

Anonymous said...

Oh, I am sure the Hillcrest Miners Club will be shut down before you can get there. Sigh, Sigh.

Anonymous said...

6:47
"No thanks. Think you have done your damage."

Oh, I thought that was mayor and council that did that. Not someone from outside asking questions that we should have been asking ourselves, if not for the fact we are either two-faced or lack courage, as Fred has stated.

Fred Poirier said...

In response to anonyumous 2:04,
You disagree with me? Big deal. You are anonymous. I don't know and I can't find out how smart you are to respect your opinion or if it's even worth payting attention to you.
But anonymous 2:24 states he is a high paid engineer from Calgary.
Now you know that guy is smart, well-educated and has some common sense. You have his name, you have his email. Now you anonymous chickens are still determined not to pay attention to him.
"Negative toward issues."
This is not an issue,. this is stupidity. People in power try to manipulate the will of the people that elect them. Shame on you.
Anonymous 6:47 seems to have some common sense.
"Two-faced or lack of courage."
Well described.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately well-education does not always equate to having "common sense." Quite often it is the opposite. I know they themselves assume they are smarter than everyone else - not true. And - anonymous = correct spelling. Educated people that call other people stupid should know how to spell.

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